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Post by Puggalo4Lyfe on Aug 11, 2015 5:38:44 GMT
read this *grabs crotch*
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 10:02:35 GMT
i still dont feel like youre getting what im saying you should read age race class and sex by audre lorde I agreed with u i said we can use any word u prefer because the meaning i associate with privilege is the one u said I will read it though because i've been meaning to
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Post by Special Agent Dr. Dana Scully on Aug 11, 2015 10:34:03 GMT
hmmm i'm still not sure who is Most Left Wing
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 12:06:27 GMT
grue im interested in your "privilege" discourse bc imo privilege implies that its given by some kind of neutral third party to a select number of people when in reality its the end result of social hierarchies that are consistently upheld by the people at the top of them I guess I have a very post-structuralist way of looking at privilege in the sense that I agree with what you say, but I add that it is also maintained by the people "in the bottom" in different ways Im very influenced by academic discourse to the point of being hard to bridge it to real politics, that'ss a problem im constantly trying to work out but mostly I like your point on countering essentialism in political discourse
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:10:37 GMT
The fact that they are upheld by the people at the top doesn't mean the bottom doesn't actively participate in keeping the status quo, even if that means essentially keeping themselves down, none of that goes against the notion of privilege (or however u wanna call it)
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 12:11:53 GMT
i'm a woman and that makes oppressed in a whole lot of ways but i'm also a white able-bodied woman and that makes me privileged in a lot of other ways, being privileged doesn't mean u're not disandvantaged and it's not a hard concept to grasp if u're willing to go beyond popular discourses or trolling this is one of my problems with privilege discourse, the "checkmark" kind of posture where you somehow bingo yourself in a gradient of opression and the comforting argument from authority that 9 out of 10 times comes with it (if you don't agree with what I just said, it's clear you don't understand, bacuse you yourself are on the wrong side of the dychotomy, and that invalidades both you and what you say) no time for that
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:12:33 GMT
I mean none of this is news in the discourse of social activism and it's been acknowledged just so u know
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:15:09 GMT
So ur whole issue with privilege is that u hate being told there are things that ur identity doesn't permit u to live through and as such lack the first hand experience to lecture the people that have that first hand experience both as groups and individuals
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 12:16:46 GMT
So ur whole issue with privilege is that u hate being told there are things that ur identity doesn't permit u to live through and as such lack the first hand experience to lecture the people that have that first hand experience both as groups and individuals yes also that you don't seem to have any restrition in talking about someone else's personal experience either
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:17:35 GMT
And it's not a bingo of oppression, it's the acknowledgement that although i may be held down by society for part of my identity, i also am granted more accomodations for other parts of my identity in comparison to other people, it's awareness of how power dynamics work
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:20:07 GMT
So ur whole issue with privilege is that u hate being told there are things that ur identity doesn't permit u to live through and as such lack the first hand experience to lecture the people that have that first hand experience both as groups and individuals yes also that you don't seem to have any restrition in talking about someone else's personal experience either So it's basically ur ego bruising when told that u have no authority on the matters of other people's lives ok then And i said assumed nothing about ur personal experience outsidw of the fact that u are not indeed a black person living in america if that is a whole lot of assumptions then idk what to tell u
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Post by i'm very angry on Aug 11, 2015 12:21:55 GMT
Like it's p ironic that u are annoyed at me for 'assuming' ur not an activist against racial profiling and police violence against people of colour yet u think u should have the right to talk about and regarding other people's experiences that u cannot in fact ever face
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 12:36:17 GMT
im not talking about me, you're free to assume whatever you want about me, it's fine
im talking about you championing black rights (which is fine) in usa (which is fine) from a white european standpoint (which is fine) while reducing black poitics to personal experience as a way to validate your claims (which is not fine)
that's another bullshit trend. yes, the personal is political of course it is, but to turn that on its head and make the political -> personal is to me not only incredibly condescending, it's downright silencing. it's like, let us admire the noble savage, a moment of silence as we acknowledge his trials and tribulations, froma personal perspecttive.
yes yes that was fascinating. now excuse me as we white folks discuss at an actual political level where ideas are met with scrutiny and criticism. none of that for the opressed of course, we wouldn't want to show on TV triggering people left and right
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 12:40:58 GMT
i mean god damn grue will you stop with your finger pointing about idi amin you white euro trash #colonialism #white #privilege
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Post by Assbong420 ~The Weeder~ on Aug 11, 2015 13:15:11 GMT
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